Comments on: “Scrum Users Group” Controversy http://scrummethodology.com/%e2%80%9cscrum-users-group%e2%80%9d-controversy/ Learn the Scrum Methodology Fri, 12 Mar 2010 00:34:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: admin http://scrummethodology.com/%e2%80%9cscrum-users-group%e2%80%9d-controversy/#comment-5505 admin Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:10:40 +0000 http://scrummethodology.com/?p=93#comment-5505 Hi Doug, Good point. You’re right that for group or community to grow in a constructive way, it does require some structure. And since the likelihood of that structure naturally materializing out of chaos is pretty much nil, the Scrum Alliance has emerged to help protect and promote the framework. I can understand how some Scrum users groups might have felt a little threatened or encroached upon by the Scrum Alliance’s announcement, but, in the end, you’re right—somebody had to do it. Hi Doug,

Good point. You’re right that for group or community to grow in a constructive way, it does require some structure. And since the likelihood of that structure naturally materializing out of chaos is pretty much nil, the Scrum Alliance has emerged to help protect and promote the framework. I can understand how some Scrum users groups might have felt a little threatened or encroached upon by the Scrum Alliance’s announcement, but, in the end, you’re right—somebody had to do it.

]]> By: admin http://scrummethodology.com/%e2%80%9cscrum-users-group%e2%80%9d-controversy/#comment-5504 admin Thu, 04 Jun 2009 19:10:24 +0000 http://scrummethodology.com/?p=93#comment-5504 Hi Cory, Thanks for posting here to clarify this for our readers. Your comment clears up a lot of confusion I’m sure many readers were experiencing, so thanks for that. Glad to hear the user group controversy isn’t so controversial, after all. Hi Cory,

Thanks for posting here to clarify this for our readers. Your comment clears up a lot of confusion I’m sure many readers were experiencing, so thanks for that. Glad to hear the user group controversy isn’t so controversial, after all.

]]> By: Doug http://scrummethodology.com/%e2%80%9cscrum-users-group%e2%80%9d-controversy/#comment-4901 Doug Fri, 22 May 2009 15:57:47 +0000 http://scrummethodology.com/?p=93#comment-4901 Scrum user groups, Agile user groups, XP users groups many of these I have seen come and go. I have tried and been unsuccessful at sustaining these groups and have seen similar patterns from others. However, I have followed others who were experienced and they have taught me. It is my experience that these groups are driven by people who are not use to some necessary deliberate (self included) structure. Deliberate structure includes officers, organizing boards, keeping it interesting, volunteering, stimulating vibrancy and "marks (like SCRUMUSERGROUP)" from International organizations that help with credibility. These structures help groups sustain their existence. SPIN Groups have years of history, PMI groups have years of history, APLN has better success (different make up of people on avaerage)Agile groups often seem to pop and die like grapes on the vine. The Scrum Alliance is offering help by holding these marks and building brand value. Structure / value so that the group adopts some deliberate structure to stay organized enough to sustain it's existence. We (agile community) need to learn from other groups that have a history and stop being so scared when something looks restrictive. Doug Shimp www.3back.com Scrum user groups, Agile user groups, XP users groups many of these I have seen come and go. I have tried and been unsuccessful at sustaining these groups and have seen similar patterns from others. However, I have followed others who were experienced and they have taught me.

It is my experience that these groups are driven by people who are not use to some necessary deliberate (self included) structure. Deliberate structure includes officers, organizing boards, keeping it interesting, volunteering, stimulating vibrancy and “marks (like SCRUMUSERGROUP)” from International organizations that help with credibility. These structures help groups sustain their existence. SPIN Groups have years of history, PMI groups have years of history, APLN has better success (different make up of people on avaerage)Agile groups often seem to pop and die like grapes on the vine.

The Scrum Alliance is offering help by holding these marks and building brand value. Structure / value so that the group adopts some deliberate structure to stay organized enough to sustain it’s existence. We (agile community) need to learn from other groups that have a history and stop being so scared when something looks restrictive.

Doug Shimp
http://www.3back.com

]]> By: Cory Foy http://scrummethodology.com/%e2%80%9cscrum-users-group%e2%80%9d-controversy/#comment-4792 Cory Foy Wed, 20 May 2009 17:56:34 +0000 http://scrummethodology.com/?p=93#comment-4792 Hi, My name is Cory Foy. I was quoted in the InfoQ article. I had some great conversations with the Scrum Alliance about the issue, and there are several updates: - The Scrum Alliance sent out an email with a retraction stating that no one has to sign any agreements (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scrumdevelopment/message/38338) - I was brought on board as the Scrum Community Liaison (http://www.cornetdesign.com/2009/05/scrum-alliance-community-liaison.html) I'm now working closely with Jim Cundiff at the Scrum Alliance to make sure that there is a lot more transparency in how we operate, and to provide a central point of contact to help allow the community to know who to contact with things like this come up. If you have any questions, feel free to shoot me an email - cfoy at scrumalliance dot org. - Cory Hi,

My name is Cory Foy. I was quoted in the InfoQ article. I had some great conversations with the Scrum Alliance about the issue, and there are several updates:

- The Scrum Alliance sent out an email with a retraction stating that no one has to sign any agreements (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scrumdevelopment/message/38338)
- I was brought on board as the Scrum Community Liaison (http://www.cornetdesign.com/2009/05/scrum-alliance-community-liaison.html)

I’m now working closely with Jim Cundiff at the Scrum Alliance to make sure that there is a lot more transparency in how we operate, and to provide a central point of contact to help allow the community to know who to contact with things like this come up.

If you have any questions, feel free to shoot me an email - cfoy at scrumalliance dot org.

- Cory

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